[salvation & sanctification]

[salvation & sanctification]

On my way to work this morning, reading Ted Dekker’s Slumber of Christianity, I wondered about something…

If sanctification is a moment and a process (i.e. there’s a moment when you’re sanctified, and that moment is a start of the lifelong process of becoming entirely sanctified)…

Is salvation a process and a moment then, following this logic? Paul and Peter keep talking about the HOPE of salvation, which means we reach the salvation only when we get to heaven. (Which makes sense, if one believes that it’s possible to “lose” salvation.)

So at the moment of sanctification we begin the process of salvation, and at the moment of salvation we complete the process of sanctification.ย 

Agree / disagree?

(Here’s a shout out to Bill Grandi, who wrote this kind of post yesterday – on a different topic, though – asking for opinions. That gave me the idea.)

Footnote: even though the Church I go to believes in the concept of entire sanctification, I am not sure I believe that is possible during this lifetime.ย While I don’t doubt the great power of God, I still don’t think we can become perfect before we die.

  • SusanP

    Zee, I believe that salvation is the beginning of sanctification. In other words, we are saved when we receive God’s gift of salvation. We are out of the grave of death. But, we still have a lot of the grave clothes on our backs. Sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit who lovingly draws our attention to the various grave clothes, and when we let go of those grave clothes, they are stripped from us. As I understand it, full sanctification takes place when we see Jesus face to face.

    Meanwhile, God sees us as perfect because when He looks at us, He sees the righteousness of Jesus.

    • The more I think about it, the less I understand the difference between sanctification and salvation. I mean, they seem to be one and only, because whatever the differences are, they take place exactly at the same time, and basically do the same thing.

      Thank God, He knows what’s going on and He’s got it all figured out. I’m in for the ride, even if I don’t know the path we’re flying…

  • When I lead the evangelism seminars in Ukraine we use a modified Engels scale that looks something like this http://www.goodsoil.com/docs/good-soil-ed-scale.pdf It shows the process leading up to salvation and the process after salvation.

    • Wow, Caleb – thanks! It’s a useful chart! Will need to read it closely a bit later, but thank you for sharing it!

      • I can look around, I think I have one in Russoan too.

        • Actually, English is more understandable for me in case of theology. All the classes I’ve taken were in English and mom’s seminary textbooks I’ve read were also English.

          But it might be useful in case I’ll need to share with friends.

          Thanks, Caleb!

  • Well…you opened a can of worms. Considering the differences in theology I suspect you will get that many different views. Here is my take. First, right off the bat: I don’t believe in the concept of entire sanctification. I don’t believe it can be reached until heaven. I know that disagrees with Naz theology but I’m right. ๐Ÿ™‚ second, I do believe sanctification takes place at salvation. But we were never intended to stay in the same place. I will call that Christian growth. To me, being sanctified means “to be set apart.” Salvation does exactly that-sets us apart from death to life, for His service. I also don’t believe in eternal security, although I am pretty unsure when a person does. BTW: i took a cursory look at Caleb’s link and thought it was pretty good.

    • But if we’re not entirely sanctified, what kind of sanctification takes place at salvation?

      If sanctification is the same thing as holiness (being set apart), then why the need for two terms? (Just thoughts in my head…)

      • the words sanctify and holy is the same word in the Greek- hagiazdo. So I would say they are the same. As for what takes place, I believe we are set aside for His purpose. we are set apart from death to life, for the old man to the new man. I’m not sure I’m explaining myself very well. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Hmmm… Now this is intriguing. I didn’t know the Greek word, only the “kadosh,” the Hebrew… But I am not sure now that kadosh is the same as hagiazdo…

          Your explanation does make sense because it’s as straightforward as they get ๐Ÿ™‚ And I believe the same.

  • I am sure there is a title for all the different theologies out there. The one title that fits my belief if Jesus, Salvation starts and ends with Jesus and sanctification is Jesus between the two. I for one do believe in eternal security which is why I chose to believe in the one, Jesus who is eternal. I am putting my worms back in the can. Good one Zee. Are you staying safe?

    • Betty – I don’t think I follow what you mean by “my belief if Jesus, Salvation starts and ends with Jesus and sanctification is Jesus between the two”…

      Eternal security in the fact that while we’re with God, we’re saved – yes. But usually eternal security is meant as “you cannot lose your salvation no matter what you do” – that’s what Calvinists believe, along with predestination.

      We’re safe for now. Each new day brings new surprises and twists and turns.

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